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		<title>Comment on Terry Goodkind&#8217;s &#8216;Sword of Truth&#8217; series is derivative, poorly written, and the heroes are really villains by Anonymouse</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 01:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[ Excerpt :: Hero slaughters unarmed anti-war protesters
From: &#039;Naked Empire&#039; (2003) by Terry Goodkind

They raced out from the long shadows of the buildings and poured around the corner. The people off at the end of the street all turned when they spotted Richard&#039;s force coming. More people--men and women from the city--surged into the street in front of the compound of buildings the soldiers  had taken up as barracks and a command post. The people looked like a scraggly lot.

&quot;No war! No war! No war!&quot; the people shouted as Richard led the men up the street at a dead run.

&quot;Out of the way!&quot; Richard yelled as he closed the distance. This was no time for subtlety or discussions: the success of their attack depended in large part on speed. &quot;Get out of the way! This is your only warning!  Get out of the way or die!&quot;

&quot;Stop the hate! Stop the hate!&quot; the people chanted as they locked arms.

They had no idea how much hate was raging through Richard. He drew the Sword of Truth. The wrath of its magic didn&#039;t come out with it, but he had enough of his own. He slowed to a trot.

&quot;Move!&quot; Richard called as he bore down on the people.

A plump, curly-haired woman took a step out from the others. Her round face was red with anger as she screamed. &quot;Stop the hate! No war! Stop the hate! No war!&quot;

&quot;Move or die!&quot; Richard yelled as he picked up speed.

The red-faced woman shook her fleshy fist at Richard and his men, leading an angry chant. &quot;Murderers! Murderers! Murderers!&quot;

On his way past her, gritting his teeth as he screamed with the fury of the attack begun, Richard took a powerful swing, lopping off the woman&#039;s head and upraised arm. Strings of blood and gore splashed across the faces behind her even as some still chanted their empty words. The head and loose arm tumbled through the crowd. A man mad the mistake of reaching for Richard&#039;s weapon, and took the full weight of a charging thrust.

Men behind Richard hit the line of evil&#039;s guardians with unrestrained violence. People armed only with their hatred for moral clarity fell bloodied, terribly injured, and dead. The line of people collapsed before the merciless charge. Some of the people, screaming their contempt, used their fists to attack Richard&#039;s men. They were met with swift and deadly steel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[ Excerpt :: Hero slaughters unarmed anti-war protesters<br />
From: 'Naked Empire' (2003) by Terry Goodkind</p>
<p>They raced out from the long shadows of the buildings and poured around the corner. The people off at the end of the street all turned when they spotted Richard's force coming. More people--men and women from the city--surged into the street in front of the compound of buildings the soldiers  had taken up as barracks and a command post. The people looked like a scraggly lot.</p>
<p>"No war! No war! No war!" the people shouted as Richard led the men up the street at a dead run.</p>
<p>"Out of the way!" Richard yelled as he closed the distance. This was no time for subtlety or discussions: the success of their attack depended in large part on speed. "Get out of the way! This is your only warning!  Get out of the way or die!"</p>
<p>"Stop the hate! Stop the hate!" the people chanted as they locked arms.</p>
<p>They had no idea how much hate was raging through Richard. He drew the Sword of Truth. The wrath of its magic didn't come out with it, but he had enough of his own. He slowed to a trot.</p>
<p>"Move!" Richard called as he bore down on the people.</p>
<p>A plump, curly-haired woman took a step out from the others. Her round face was red with anger as she screamed. "Stop the hate! No war! Stop the hate! No war!"</p>
<p>"Move or die!" Richard yelled as he picked up speed.</p>
<p>The red-faced woman shook her fleshy fist at Richard and his men, leading an angry chant. "Murderers! Murderers! Murderers!"</p>
<p>On his way past her, gritting his teeth as he screamed with the fury of the attack begun, Richard took a powerful swing, lopping off the woman's head and upraised arm. Strings of blood and gore splashed across the faces behind her even as some still chanted their empty words. The head and loose arm tumbled through the crowd. A man mad the mistake of reaching for Richard's weapon, and took the full weight of a charging thrust.</p>
<p>Men behind Richard hit the line of evil's guardians with unrestrained violence. People armed only with their hatred for moral clarity fell bloodied, terribly injured, and dead. The line of people collapsed before the merciless charge. Some of the people, screaming their contempt, used their fists to attack Richard's men. They were met with swift and deadly steel.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Terry Goodkind&#8217;s &#8216;Sword of Truth&#8217; series is derivative, poorly written, and the heroes are really villains by Anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://androidsinlove.com/site/?p=1843&#038;cpage=1#comment-57854</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 01:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[ Excerpt :: All life is murder
From &#039;Wizard&#039;s First Rule&#039; (1994) by Terry Goodkind, page 561:

(Richard says) &quot;Murder goes against nature.&quot;

The wizard smiled.  &quot;Murder is the way of nature, of all living things.&quot;

Richard knew Zedd was sucking him in -- it was his way draw you in with an outrageous statement - but his blood was up and he couldn&#039;t help protesting.  &quot;Only some of nature.  Like predators.  And that&#039;s only to survive.  Look at these trees, they can&#039;t even think of murder.&quot;

&quot;Murder is the way of all things, the way of nature,&quot; Zedd repeated.  &quot;Every living thing is a murderer.&quot;

Richard looked to Kahlan for support.  &quot;Don&#039;t look at me,&quot; she said.  &quot;I learned a long time ago not to debate with wizards.&quot;

Richard looked up, at the beautiful big pine spreading over them, illuminated in the firelight.  A spark of understanding lit in his mind.  He saw the branches, stretched out with murderous intent, in a years-long struggle to reach the sunlight and dispatch its neighbors with its shade.  Success would give space for its offspring, many of which would also shrivel in the shade of the parent.  Several close neighbors of the big pine were withered and weak, victims all.  It was true: the design of nature was success by murder.

Zedd watched Richard&#039;s eyes.  This was a lesson, the way the old man had taught Richard since he was young.  &quot;You have learned something, my boy?&quot;

Richard nodded.  &quot;Life for the strongest.  There is no sympathy for the slain, only admiration for the winner&#039;s strength.&quot;

&quot;But people don&#039;t think that way,&quot; Kahlan said, unable to keep her tongue.

Zedd gave a sly smile.  &quot;No?&quot;  He pointed to a small, withered tree near them.  &quot;Look at this tree, dear one.&quot;  He pointed to the big pine.  &quot;And this.  Tell me which you admire more.&quot;

&quot;This one,&quot; she said, pointing at the big pine.  &quot;It&#039;s a beautiful tree.&quot;

&quot;This one.  You see?  People do think this way.  It&#039;s beautiful, you said.  You chose the tree that murders, not the one murdered.&quot;  Zedd smiled triumphantly.  &quot;The way of nature.&quot;

Kahlan folded her arms.  &quot;I knew I should have kept my mouth shut.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[ Excerpt :: All life is murder<br />
From 'Wizard's First Rule' (1994) by Terry Goodkind, page 561:</p>
<p>(Richard says) "Murder goes against nature."</p>
<p>The wizard smiled.  "Murder is the way of nature, of all living things."</p>
<p>Richard knew Zedd was sucking him in -- it was his way draw you in with an outrageous statement - but his blood was up and he couldn't help protesting.  "Only some of nature.  Like predators.  And that's only to survive.  Look at these trees, they can't even think of murder."</p>
<p>"Murder is the way of all things, the way of nature," Zedd repeated.  "Every living thing is a murderer."</p>
<p>Richard looked to Kahlan for support.  "Don't look at me," she said.  "I learned a long time ago not to debate with wizards."</p>
<p>Richard looked up, at the beautiful big pine spreading over them, illuminated in the firelight.  A spark of understanding lit in his mind.  He saw the branches, stretched out with murderous intent, in a years-long struggle to reach the sunlight and dispatch its neighbors with its shade.  Success would give space for its offspring, many of which would also shrivel in the shade of the parent.  Several close neighbors of the big pine were withered and weak, victims all.  It was true: the design of nature was success by murder.</p>
<p>Zedd watched Richard's eyes.  This was a lesson, the way the old man had taught Richard since he was young.  "You have learned something, my boy?"</p>
<p>Richard nodded.  "Life for the strongest.  There is no sympathy for the slain, only admiration for the winner's strength."</p>
<p>"But people don't think that way," Kahlan said, unable to keep her tongue.</p>
<p>Zedd gave a sly smile.  "No?"  He pointed to a small, withered tree near them.  "Look at this tree, dear one."  He pointed to the big pine.  "And this.  Tell me which you admire more."</p>
<p>"This one," she said, pointing at the big pine.  "It's a beautiful tree."</p>
<p>"This one.  You see?  People do think this way.  It's beautiful, you said.  You chose the tree that murders, not the one murdered."  Zedd smiled triumphantly.  "The way of nature."</p>
<p>Kahlan folded her arms.  "I knew I should have kept my mouth shut."</p>
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		<title>Comment on On The Sufies by Idries Shah by Hector</title>
		<link>http://androidsinlove.com/site/?p=690&#038;cpage=1#comment-57837</link>
		<dc:creator>Hector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 17:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I had not read the article in a long time. It seems ok to me now. It&#039;s strange that another website contains exactly the same text and I wonder which of these came up first ? http://www.bahaistudies.net/asma/shah_brothers.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I had not read the article in a long time. It seems ok to me now. It&#8217;s strange that another website contains exactly the same text and I wonder which of these came up first ? <a href="http://www.bahaistudies.net/asma/shah_brothers.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bahaistudies.net/asma/shah_brothers.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on On The Sufies by Idries Shah by Jim Buck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hector, would you be good enough to specify which bits of the Wikipedia entry on Idries Shah are slanderous?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hector, would you be good enough to specify which bits of the Wikipedia entry on Idries Shah are slanderous?</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s the Deal With Hamilton-Burr? by jones</title>
		<link>http://androidsinlove.com/site/?p=1828&#038;cpage=1#comment-57716</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One evening, back during the bad old days of a crumbling dot-con, I lay awake in bed, possessed for some reason by the question of whether Hamilton shot at Burr. I was going to write that I have no idea why, but now in retrospect it seems clear that I had unconsciously drawn a parallel between the duel and our impending showdown. 

My sense of identification with Hamilton had begun a couple years prior, when I was working as the substitute receptionist at a NYC design firm. One day there, while in the library of that firm contemplating the pointless and groveling condition of my current state, I held one of the volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica, wishing that, rather than a book about other people and things it was a book about me, so I could understand who I was and what I should be doing. With that hopeless wish clearly in mind, I (I want to say absent-mindedly) opened the book to Alexander Hamilton, with whom, I found, I share a birthday. Later that week, one of the designers (with whom I was beginning a brief emotional affair) commented that she kept wanting to call me Alexander. (Though in her mind it was a reference to Alexander the Great... with whom I was fascinated as a child. She was of Persian descent and had the idea that I was going to help her effect a break from her father; hence, Alex.)

Anyway, the next morning when I showed up to work (back at the dot-con) I found a book on my chair, left there by our mutual friend (JS). On it there was a post it note that read: &quot;someone left this on the trunk of my car in the Home Depot parking lot last night and I figured of all the people I know you might get the most out of it.&quot; It was Joseph Ellis&#039; FOUNDING BROTHERS: The Revolutionary Generation. Chapter One was titled The Duel, much of which was spent exploring the question of whether or not Hamilton fired at Burr. There was even a report of something Hamilton said as he briefly regained semi-consciousness, in the boat crossing back over the Hudson after having been shot, suggesting that he himself was unsure.

That day I finally went to the DMV to register the blue Miata I&#039;d bought used. As is typical at the DMV, there was a long line, and I read this chapter as I waited. Behind me was a completely bald guy in a ratty t-shirt with a small image of angel wings on the breast. We&#039;d been in silence for our entire time in line, till just a few moments before I was called up to the counter. Suddenly he asked me, &quot;Is it a good book?&quot; And I replied, &quot;It is if you like history.&quot; To which he said, &quot;Well, we were all there, you know. We&#039;ve all lived before.&quot; Then I was called to the next available teller.

More tomorrow. I have to go to sleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One evening, back during the bad old days of a crumbling dot-con, I lay awake in bed, possessed for some reason by the question of whether Hamilton shot at Burr. I was going to write that I have no idea why, but now in retrospect it seems clear that I had unconsciously drawn a parallel between the duel and our impending showdown. </p>
<p>My sense of identification with Hamilton had begun a couple years prior, when I was working as the substitute receptionist at a NYC design firm. One day there, while in the library of that firm contemplating the pointless and groveling condition of my current state, I held one of the volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica, wishing that, rather than a book about other people and things it was a book about me, so I could understand who I was and what I should be doing. With that hopeless wish clearly in mind, I (I want to say absent-mindedly) opened the book to Alexander Hamilton, with whom, I found, I share a birthday. Later that week, one of the designers (with whom I was beginning a brief emotional affair) commented that she kept wanting to call me Alexander. (Though in her mind it was a reference to Alexander the Great&#8230; with whom I was fascinated as a child. She was of Persian descent and had the idea that I was going to help her effect a break from her father; hence, Alex.)</p>
<p>Anyway, the next morning when I showed up to work (back at the dot-con) I found a book on my chair, left there by our mutual friend (JS). On it there was a post it note that read: &#8220;someone left this on the trunk of my car in the Home Depot parking lot last night and I figured of all the people I know you might get the most out of it.&#8221; It was Joseph Ellis&#8217; FOUNDING BROTHERS: The Revolutionary Generation. Chapter One was titled The Duel, much of which was spent exploring the question of whether or not Hamilton fired at Burr. There was even a report of something Hamilton said as he briefly regained semi-consciousness, in the boat crossing back over the Hudson after having been shot, suggesting that he himself was unsure.</p>
<p>That day I finally went to the DMV to register the blue Miata I&#8217;d bought used. As is typical at the DMV, there was a long line, and I read this chapter as I waited. Behind me was a completely bald guy in a ratty t-shirt with a small image of angel wings on the breast. We&#8217;d been in silence for our entire time in line, till just a few moments before I was called up to the counter. Suddenly he asked me, &#8220;Is it a good book?&#8221; And I replied, &#8220;It is if you like history.&#8221; To which he said, &#8220;Well, we were all there, you know. We&#8217;ve all lived before.&#8221; Then I was called to the next available teller.</p>
<p>More tomorrow. I have to go to sleep.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On The Sufies by Idries Shah by Hector</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 12:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, Bob. I regret having repeated claims that I cannot back up myself with any evidence that I know. To my knowledge, both Teachers of Gurdjeff and Among the Dervishes have been written by Idries Shah with pseudonyms (Rafel Lefort / Omar Burke); possibly also Journeys with a Sufi Master (by H.. M. Dervish). This information has been given to me by people who are mostly well informed and had been around Shah in one capacity or another. That is to say, I was relying on hearsay from well intentioned people.
On the other hand, the article on Shah in Wikipedia seems preposterous. It contains slander and is in my opinion far away from being an accurate and well balanced presentation. It would be good if you could redress that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, Bob. I regret having repeated claims that I cannot back up myself with any evidence that I know. To my knowledge, both Teachers of Gurdjeff and Among the Dervishes have been written by Idries Shah with pseudonyms (Rafel Lefort / Omar Burke); possibly also Journeys with a Sufi Master (by H.. M. Dervish). This information has been given to me by people who are mostly well informed and had been around Shah in one capacity or another. That is to say, I was relying on hearsay from well intentioned people.<br />
On the other hand, the article on Shah in Wikipedia seems preposterous. It contains slander and is in my opinion far away from being an accurate and well balanced presentation. It would be good if you could redress that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On The Sufies by Idries Shah by Jim Buck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 07:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Campbell did write one other book, and also published a monograph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Campbell_(journalist)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Campbell did write one other book, and also published a monograph:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Campbell_(journalist)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Campbell_(journalist)</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on On The Sufies by Idries Shah by Jim Buck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 07:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Bob, I have taken upon myself the task of countering the &#039;Shah school productions&quot; meme which was manufactured by James Moore. Your reasoning about antecedent writings is a useful approach, but not enough for me to reject the null hypothesis.  Moreover, I know for certain that Idries Shah did not write one of the books, referred to in Hector&#039;s post; People of the Secret was authored by Edward Campbell.   I know that because Campbell told me so, when we met in 1983.  Edward Campbell was for many years the literary editor of a London newspaper.  He was then a practised writer; but, as far as I know, he had no literary oeuvre.  It matters to me that these memes get transmitted, unwittingly, because they have an insidious effect on historiography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Bob, I have taken upon myself the task of countering the &#8216;Shah school productions&#8221; meme which was manufactured by James Moore. Your reasoning about antecedent writings is a useful approach, but not enough for me to reject the null hypothesis.  Moreover, I know for certain that Idries Shah did not write one of the books, referred to in Hector&#8217;s post; People of the Secret was authored by Edward Campbell.   I know that because Campbell told me so, when we met in 1983.  Edward Campbell was for many years the literary editor of a London newspaper.  He was then a practised writer; but, as far as I know, he had no literary oeuvre.  It matters to me that these memes get transmitted, unwittingly, because they have an insidious effect on historiography.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On The Sufies by Idries Shah by Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim,
I often wondered about that over the years. The only reasonable answer I could come up with was this. The quality of Lefort&#039;s writing was so high and the calibre of the person such that I felt sure such an author would have published other works over the years. The book appeared to me to be the product of a practiced hand but yet, no antecents could be found.

Exactly the same reasoning was applied to Omar M. Burke&#039;s book. Again, an apparently experienced author whom one would have expected to produce other works.

This then is the &#039;evidence&#039; such as it is. 

Do you have an particular reason for not believing Shah was the author of the Lefort work? May I ask why it would matter to you? Would you be disappointed if Shah is the author? I know I was just a little disappointed since it suggested, obliquely, as in other books, that Shah was a central figure. I always reasoned that away in terms of this being a posture necessary for western readers to get them to pay attention in the first instance. They too are suckers for pedigree as it were and, if that is what it takes to get them to sit up. then so be it etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim,<br />
I often wondered about that over the years. The only reasonable answer I could come up with was this. The quality of Lefort&#8217;s writing was so high and the calibre of the person such that I felt sure such an author would have published other works over the years. The book appeared to me to be the product of a practiced hand but yet, no antecents could be found.</p>
<p>Exactly the same reasoning was applied to Omar M. Burke&#8217;s book. Again, an apparently experienced author whom one would have expected to produce other works.</p>
<p>This then is the &#8216;evidence&#8217; such as it is. </p>
<p>Do you have an particular reason for not believing Shah was the author of the Lefort work? May I ask why it would matter to you? Would you be disappointed if Shah is the author? I know I was just a little disappointed since it suggested, obliquely, as in other books, that Shah was a central figure. I always reasoned that away in terms of this being a posture necessary for western readers to get them to pay attention in the first instance. They too are suckers for pedigree as it were and, if that is what it takes to get them to sit up. then so be it etc etc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seek Not the Old Masters by jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>email me when you get a chance. droid at this url.</description>
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